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LaserLight · Jun 25, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Hey, Ace? The Assassin's Promise build is based around dropping promise perhaps two hits, at best, before the monster is about to fall over and when you have a Twisting Fangs ready to make it do so. If you can't make AP work, it's because you're not using it right, not because the skill sucks.

Moebius and Palm are good, but there are better sin skills. Admittedly I played around with Palm when I was running more Critical than Dagger in order to squeeze the most pain possible from Fangs, but that's a less effective way to go. For Elites though, in PvE, I recommend either Promise or AoD, maybe Palm, since you get it relatively early. Mostly Promise - your purpose in PvE is a quick series of kills, and nothing does that better than a good Promise build.

As for hit and run being bad...yeah. Back to the whammo threads, Captain Comprehension. ArenaNet designed the Assassin for hit and run tactics. All the best sin players use hit and run tactics, or at least highly mobile tactics, even in PvE. You seem to misinterpret the term 'tank'

TANK (verb): to act as a shield against damage in order to protect spellcasters. Typically involves little movement and less damage dealing, as the tanking player's role is not to slay the enemy, but rather to defend his teammates.

As you can see, the tank player is meant to absorb damage, not kill the enemy, and therefore must be a Warrior primary. Actually, it strikes me that a proper tank, working with a good Promise Assassin, could work very well in a PvE team. The Promise can scythe through groups, supported by one Monk, while the other Monk works on keeping the tank up. Mesmers or Rangers for damage/disruption support, or perhaps a second Assassin in the Bloody Barrage mode.

But that's off-topic, and has nothing to do with the thread at hand. Save as another way to point out that your builds don't work. Please stop assuming the rest of the Assassin forum is a batch of imbeciles. We know what we're doing, we've been doing it for a while now, and it's ben working. You, sir, are of the Assassin breed that makes Monks hate us.

Siren · Jun 25, 2006, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

1. Quit talking about pvp, this is a pve discussion.

I am talking PvE. And I'm still trashing your entire "point."

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2. You guys are the reason people hate assassins, your hit and run builds do jack for damage....

Your build does crap damage. Mine doesn't.

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3. Bleeding... nothing removes conditions in pve... that 9 seconds of bleeding, if your target lasts that long, is 54 damage. Not to mention its totally unconditional.

Bleeding from a Lead Attack sucks.

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4. Go play a TF axe war in pve... it already completely destroys any assassin build in damage, not to mention some guy playing hit and run.

Who gives a shit? Incidentally, with my Assassin, I can out-perform most Warriors in PvE.

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5. Assassins promise is just... crap.... moebius and palm strike you can argue... assassins promise is junk. For one its completely unpredictable, you put it on a guy then the dredge gardener puts shielding hands on the guy and starts to heal him and hes not dying. Placing your entire build around a skill with a 45 second recharge if it misses is dumb. That happens and your assassins does less damage than a wammo for the next minute.

You're either an idiot or a troll.

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6. Get used to it people, assassins have to be compared with warriors cause thats what they can't help but be.

No, you're either an idiot or a troll.

Mods...please lock this thread? It's either trolling or incoherency. Either way...it needs to get closed immediately, methinks.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 25, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Siren I didn't agree with you about horns but I do agree with you about tyhe OP's complete, unadulterated idiocy and trolling, I do believe that somewhere it has been said that trolling is against the rules, lock this thread and prevent the OP from making anymore like it, and umm "ace" FYI Hit and run works in PvE too AoD to monk, slap down a six hit combo, remove AoD hit...no...kill-and-run and NO sweat to the monk, so accept defeat or just shut it you pompous arse.

Bloodied Blade · Jun 26, 2006, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

1. Quit talking about pvp, this is a pve discussion.

2. You guys are the reason people hate assassins, your hit and run builds do jack for damage....

3. Bleeding... nothing removes conditions in pve... that 9 seconds of bleeding, if your target lasts that long, is 54 damage. Not to mention its totally unconditional.

4. Go play a TF axe war in pve... it already completely destroys any assassin build in damage, not to mention some guy playing hit and run.

5. Assassins promise is just... crap.... moebius and palm strike you can argue... assassins promise is junk. For one its completely unpredictable, you put it on a guy then the dredge gardener puts shielding hands on the guy and starts to heal him and hes not dying. Placing your entire build around a skill with a 45 second recharge if it misses is dumb. That happens and your assassins does less damage than a wammo for the next minute.

6. Get used to it people, assassins have to be compared with warriors cause thats what they can't help but be. They tank more than warriors unless your playing the rediculously stupid pve hit and run. Pve aggro is built to be determined by many factors, armor and distance from the enemy is 90% of it unless their is a lot of dp involved. You have less armor than the war, you always will, you fight at the same distance as the war, you always will. Get over it assassins can't help but take damage, its not possible to do any damage and not get raped with no defensive skills. If you think otherwise your delusional and don't understand what real damage or defense is about.

1.) PvP can still be referred to for PvE, it was used as an explanation to show the effectiveness of a build.

2.) Your build is total crap, the damage sucks more than anything I've ever seen. If "our builds" do "jack shit" for damage, we must all be delusional about the damage that you can do with daggers when used effectively.

3.) LMAO! When you see something that reliably uses a fast recharging condition removal in pve, call me. I'll let it go into voice mail and delete it.

4.) Irrelevant. You do more damage with hit-and-run than you do with anything else. All the hit-and-run means is that you are in combat for a shorter time. The only chance of out-damaging a hit-and-run build is doing so through the normal attack of the daggers.

5.) AP is meant to be used on a target close to death. It's not an opener and to use it as such simply again demonstrates your lack of knowledge when it comes to the use of an assassin.

6.) This is the second tanking build I have seen for the assassin. It's also the second assassin build I've felt the need to proverbially "shoot down". We are only compared to warriors by the unknowledgeable, such as yourself.

Please refrain from posting builds like this in the future, the stench is nearly unbearable.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 26, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05

^^ "Please refrain from posting builds like this in the future, the stench is realy unbearable."

QFT but it can be better

"Please refrain from talking in the future, it would do the world a favor."

Kyle · Jun 26, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

tadace im going to do you a favor. You can come back and read all these posts. but dont post anything. because if you havn't noticed you have 2 pages of people against you. And i didnt see anybody that agreed with anything you said. So this would be a good time to maybe stop posting and admit defeat and go use your "uber only way to use daggers" build by your lonesome in the corner with the henchies. Thats me being nice to you. So i would take this and do what it says to save you from more humilitation

TadaceAce · Jun 26, 2006, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Humiliation at a video game forum. Yep, I'm devastated. Moving on.

This game needs a dps parser. You hit and run sins could compare yourself to the mending paladin.

Everybody hates sins for a reason because the general populous of them suck! It has come to my attention this forum is full of the general populous of assassins.. Just close this thread before I do more trolling.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 26, 2006, 06:56 AM // 06:56

you troll me, HA I laugh at your idiocy, how did you get your councillor position anyway? Spam? Troll? Flame? Warg fool Warg Oh and if you catch my sin Kirin Hanryuu ever on Ill get you a guest invite into my guild so I can destroy you 1v1 sin vs sin.

Siren · Jun 26, 2006, 01:47 PM // 13:47

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

Humiliation at a video game forum. Yep, I'm devastated. Moving on.

This game needs a dps parser. You hit and run sins could compare yourself to the mending paladin.

Everybody hates sins for a reason because the general populous of them suck! It has come to my attention this forum is full of the general populous of assassins.. Just close this thread before I do more trolling.

Son, I don't know what your beef is, but you should realize one or two of our Assassin players here have created builds that have been utilized by everyone to the extent of becoming cookie-cutter Assassin builds. You can go in-game and ask an A/R, for example, if they're running the Bloody Barrage build...and they'll know what you're talking about. Assassin here populous sucks? Hardly.

You didn't get humiliated here. You just got proven wrong from people who have damn-near dedicated themselves to learning the in's, the out's, the tricks, the techniques, and the remarkable versatility and mobility of the Assassin profession.

It's great that you think Flashing Blades is such an amazing Elite. Good for you. But the truth is it sucks, and your build does crap damage. Mathematically, any of us here can prove that, and then prove how utterly basic skill sets can trump your build in terms of damage.

Any credibility you may have ever had was obliterated the minute you decided to post, mate. There's a quote that comes to mind, I believe it was from Mark Twain. I believe it goes a little something like..."It is far better to keep one's mouth closed and leave others in doubt of one's stupidity than it is to open the mouth and confirm it for all."

That's a fairly relevant quote here, I'd say.

But you know what isn't relevant? How you're using "parser." Do link me to where you've got a definition that has the word making sense in the context you're using, because...I have a degree in Literature, I've read James Joyce, I've read Toni Morrison...and even I have no fecking idea what you're trying to say. If you mean the game needs DPS juggernauts, then with the right build, Assassins can rock out even moreso than Warriors can. If you mean the game needs more tanks (perhaps "parser" is being used as synonymous with distribution, diffusion, or mitigation)...there's a reason there are Warriors.

So, despite whatever you may say or think at this point, you've got nothing to reply with. Just walk away.

Does-it-Matter · Jun 26, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

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Originally Posted by TadaceAce

This game needs a dps parser. You hit and run sins could compare yourself to the mending paladin.

Everybody hates sins for a reason because the general populous of them suck! It has come to my attention this forum is full of the general populous of assassins.. Just close this thread before I do more trolling.

Really, I'd love to see where you're getting your facts from.

While I agree that the majority of the Assassin community is disliked because it "sucks," it's not for the reason you listed. The community would be loved if all it did was run Hit-and-run. It's got its rep specifically because of the oppossite.

Do this... go to the monk forum, or general, or game discussion, anywhere. Start a poll. It could be as simple as "Why do monks hate assassins?"

Option one could be: Because they don't do enough damage.
Option two could be: Because they hit and run, pansies!
Option three could be: Because they die way too quickly.

See which one gets more votes.

Bloodied Blade · Jun 26, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Siren

Son, I don't know what your beef is, but you should realize one or two of our Assassin players here have created builds that have been utilized by everyone to the extent of becoming cookie-cutter Assassin builds. You can go in-game and ask an A/R, for example, if they're running the Bloody Barrage build...and they'll know what you're talking about. Assassin here populous sucks? Hardly.

You didn't get humiliated here. You just got proven wrong from people who have damn-near dedicated themselves to learning the in's, the out's, the tricks, the techniques, and the remarkable versatility and mobility of the Assassin profession.

It's great that you think Flashing Blades is such an amazing Elite. Good for you. But the truth is it sucks, and your build does crap damage. Mathematically, any of us here can prove that, and then prove how utterly basic skill sets can trump your build in terms of damage.

Any credibility you may have ever had was obliterated the minute you decided to post, mate. There's a quote that comes to mind, I believe it was from Mark Twain. I believe it goes a little something like..."It is far better to keep one's mouth closed and leave others in doubt of one's stupidity than it is to open the mouth and confirm it for all."

That's a fairly relevant quote here, I'd say.

But you know what isn't relevant? How you're using "parser." Do link me to where you've got a definition that has the word making sense in the context you're using, because...I have a degree in Literature, I've read James Joyce, I've read Toni Morrison...and even I have no fecking idea what you're trying to say. If you mean the game needs DPS juggernauts, then with the right build, Assassins can rock out even moreso than Warriors can. If you mean the game needs more tanks (perhaps "parser" is being used as synonymous with distribution, diffusion, or mitigation)...there's a reason there are Warriors.

So, despite whatever you may say or think at this point, you've got nothing to reply with. Just walk away.

QFT

Oh, and the Mark Twain quote it: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 26, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

GO SIREN!! Also didn't I see Parse somewhere in my PMs like parsing links in text in context I do believe that parse means something along to line to connect something in some form, I am rather confusing myself here, but if you guys get what I am saying and if what I am saying is true then label the OP an imbecile.

Also OP we didn't humiliate you, you did it yourself, you started a war and what you said was a pathetic,illogical attempt to end it. Oh and my offer stands, I know exactly how to crush your build too, wild blow, non evadable lead attack,fox fangs, nine tail strike, you will get demolished since your build relies on evasion.

Kyle · Jun 27, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

GO SIREN!!

Oh and my offer stands, I know exactly how to crush your build too, wild blow, non evadable lead attack,fox fangs, nine tail strike, you will get demolished since your build relies on evasion.

lol. pwnd. gg

kthxbye

And us sins know that we die fast. We have come up with numerous ways to bounce around to avoid getting hit without "tanking". In such things like Fort Aspenwood. You will die as will everyone because of turtles. That you can not help but with my sin i can kill 3 maybe 4 ranger/casters before a warrior comes over and stabs me in my back.

Bloodied Blade · Jun 27, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Hit-and-run does not suck. If you want to find the real reason monks hate assassins, do as an above poster suggessted:

Poll the monk forums.

Why do you hate assassins? (Pick One)

1.) They don't do enough damage
2.) They don't stay and fight
3.) They try to tank and die and waste my valuable energy

See what the community picks more times.

TadaceAce, accept it, your build sucks. Go troll elsewhere.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 27, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

actually taddy poo just go away, don't infect anyone else's air with your idiocy. Oh and when I go to Aspenwood I just hunt commanders, if left to my own devices I can take out the purple commander and his monk in one run, mayube tow depending on how fast I interrupt him.

TimTimTimma · Jun 27, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I was strolling through, and just couldn't help but notice the thread that said "the ONLY way to use daggers" and i had to see this topic.

As some of you may know I posted my asn build here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3064458

Iv'e got different replies, some like, some dont. Who cares? Works for me. Tadace, you should feel same way. However, you did do a silly thing here. You tried to push your beliefs onto someone else, and argued over preference. Which in itself isn't really neccesary, because, well, it is preference :-)

Siren likes TF
Tadace likes HotO

I myself, enjoy BOTH!

I like both skills, and thats something I haven't seen posted yet..Nobody has suggested BOTH skills..

My combo = Palm Strike, HotO, FS, TF

I also play my assasin alot differently then most thou.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 27, 2006, 06:44 AM // 06:44

is palm an elite? I forgot, I always get it confused with that other palm. I use AoD+GLS+GPS+HoO+FS+TF pretty basic build but I use it to it's max potential, I can take down warriors with ease with it.

Valerius · Jun 27, 2006, 06:55 AM // 06:55

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

is palm an elite? I forgot, I always get it confused with that other palm.

Palm Strike is an elite yes... Iron Palm is not :P

Spura · Jun 27, 2006, 02:32 PM // 14:32

He got you guys on one count though. If you don't wanna tank you better do dps, and lots of you talk about teleporting around a lot. You know how bad that is for DPS?

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

is palm an elite? I forgot, I always get it confused with that other palm. I use AoD+GLS+GPS+HoO+FS+TF pretty basic build but I use it to it's max potential, I can take down warriors with ease with it.

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Originally Posted by TimTimTimma

My combo = Palm Strike, HotO, FS, TF

If you want ownination with lots of KD try:

MoI+BLS+TF+FS+HotO+MS+HotO+FS+TF or BLS

Siren · Jun 27, 2006, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Spura

He got you guys on one count though. If you don't wanna tank you better do dps, and lots of you talk about teleporting around a lot. You know how bad that is for DPS?

I don't bring teleports in any PvE build and I routinely rock out. ~_^